Layout Metal Siding Tips and Tricks

Layout Metal Siding Tips and Tricks

Hey, what’s up everybody, welcome back to the channel. My name is Kyle Thought I’d take this morning while we’re prepping for steel to show you guys some of the tips and tricks we’ve learned along the way to ensure that your steel runs well and Consistent when it comes to the layout and how you ensure that you don’t have ribs around your windows which can possibly cause leaks or You don’t want a corner trim dying right where a rib is so we’ll take you through some of those tips and tricks Let’s get into it. So as with most Projects a lot of your success is going to begin at the ground. And in this case, it’s our base trim So when installing our base trim, we prefer to make sure that we’ve got a laser setup You can see the laser right there in the middle of the building and we’re using the receiver to ensure That it is going to be perfectly level everywhere we put a nail and that’s going to also allow us to make sure that Everything that’s laid out from here on out is based off this base trim and going to be perfectly level One of the things we also like to do is notch our base trim So you’re gonna get a little bit of freebie tips on this video and not just all about layout but also some tips and tricks So once we hear that solid tone, we’re good to go Now that the base trim is done we’ve got a point of reference for everything from here on out using that laser We know that the top of our base trim is our grade mark of zero So what that’s gonna do is that’ll allow us to set all of our other trims and measure off for windows and doors first what we got to do before we get into any other stuff is we got to install our house wrap and I’m going to take A couple seconds to talk about the importance of house wrap I think on a post frame now. There’s always a lot of confusion Around my videos for a couple reasons in talking about house wrap We don’t use the house wrap for a moisture barrier Typical post frame structures are gonna get steel put up right against the frame and that is it But we’re not just typically building a typical post frame. So this is gonna eventually be a heated shop now I don’t know how they’re gonna insulate the walls But they might spray foam them. They might fiberglass bat them. I don’t know. We’re not contracted for that on this project We’re just going to be doing the exterior. We’re gonna be putting a sealing in it and that is gonna get blown in insulation So house wrap is important for a couple of reasons one. It stops the air. It does do some moisture control So that is a nice benefit, but that’s not why we use it If you are going to potentially do a spray foam in your building You’ve got to have a barrier between your steel and that foam because you do not want to have to remove steel Down the road foam will adhere to it like glue it won’t come off very easily and you can run the risk of having expansion contraction issues when the Sun heats up your metal if it was installed during colder temperatures and you could get some really nasty oil cans so Enough about that we use block it house wrap because it’s very stretchy. It just runs really nice I’ve got my custom logo on it, which is a big deal to me I like to see that branding on our buildings if you’re interested in getting your own custom branded house wrap You just got to buy a full pallet of house wrap from them and they will do it for anybody. So There’s really no extra charge you just got to buy the whole pallet now when running our house wraps since we don’t have any plywood sheeting or OSB or anything on the wall, we can’t just run full, you know role of house rep We have to kind of end it on a wall Gert House wrapping in a post frame is a little bit difficult If you have any winds luckily for us today, it’s pretty much perfect out So we’ve already got our dimension which was eight foot four Not a hundred and four. That was my fault And it’s nice for us. We found that if we just take a sawzall, we got a nice Diablo pruning blade You don’t want to go cut through it too fast You want to take it nice and easy? Which is why I like the pruning blade because it doesn’t have a ton of teeth And we’re just looking to just kind of saw our way through. Otherwise, what will happen is you’ll heat the product It’ll almost glue itself together and then when you’re unwinding it, it becomes a huge pain While Greg That was a good cut there’s no burn which means it should Unravel just about perfect. Good holding Gregg couldn’t done it without you. Oh, here’s another thing that you must must pay attention to Especially when house wrapping make sure you run your house wrap the right way There’s nothing more frustrating than seeing somebody run their house wrapped upside-down Oh my god, like take a little bit of pride in what you’re doing guys Hope I didn’t offend anybody with that place. Yep. Okay. Let’s go ahead and get it stretched up You like the look? Okay, I find that the biggest loss of heat or in efficiencies in a post frame Typical post frame is because they don’t use a house wrap and the wind just blows right through it We’re out here in the middle of you know flat ground where we get winds in excess of 60 mile an hour Multiple times a year, which also I want to point out These buildings are engineered from anywhere from 90 to 110 mile per hour wind ratings just a little side information So now when you talk about layout on a building that has rib panels where you don’t want ribs to line up with your trims Where you gonna potentially have water be what making its way behind that steel panel layout is key Not only for where any penetration in the wall is such as a door or window But also where these corner trims are gonna lie at the end of the job now Some of these things might not make sense exactly. But if you do any sort of post frame or metal roofing or really any Trade that involves metal panels layout is key and if you don’t know why keep watching the video and hopefully it’ll start to make sense to you this building is 120 foot long so 120 feet is Perfectly divisible by 3 feet now our panel coverage on each sheet is 3 foot therefore We know that we’re gonna have an exact amount of sheets with no cutting on this wall we will also know that our first rib is gonna be Exactly on the end here and if we did our job, right? Exactly on the other end. Now this is where lay is important You have to make sure that you mark and layout where every sheet is gonna go so that you end exactly Where you want to we’ve learned that you have to lay it out Otherwise you’re at the will of whatever the role former produces and that’s not what you want You want to force your panels to be to the specified layout and coverage that they’re meant to be you can see here I’ve got a doorway so I’m not able to mark my first sheet, but I’m gonna come through to the next sheet We’ve got a three foot panel therefore the center of this rib on this panel And this will all make sense as we start to actually lay it out Is that six foot but I also have a syphon rib that is going to be past that Center which is one inch So from six foot one that is going to be the edge of this sheet that’s going to go into the doorway but what I like to do is I’m going to set a nail right on that six foot one mark so that I can use that To then pull out the rest of this wall So the thing to note at this point once I hook onto that six foot one mark or sometimes It’s three foot one or whatever. I’m only gonna mark three foot into intervals, so three foot six foot nine foot 12 foot and I think you guys Get the picture. So I’ll just run out my tape length here that I’ve got I’ve only got a 25-footer now the other thing that we like to do and it may be overkill, but I think it does make it easier in the long run is take a level and Level up your marks from the top to the bottom that way when you put your first sheet of steel in it can be Consistently hitting where you want to be top and bottom but you don’t have to do every one I usually do every other one if you really wanting to double check and make sure Because you have issues in the past do every one it doesn’t take that long So I’m gonna do that throughout this whole building and then we’ll get to actually installing the metal you were talking about coverage on the steel panel what I mean by that is that if we take our tape measure and go from the center of our good rib which is the rib that laps over this rib on my left side or your right which is the syphon you should have a 36 inch coverage center-to-center now when we were laying out our steel on the wall Remember, I went six foot one instead of six foot that is because we’ve got this guy here Which is what we call our siphon leg which is usually an inch past The center of the rib now if I take a panel here and you’ll notice that we’ve got it all pre punched That definitely aids in your layout making sure things are perfect You’ll see that if I go ahead and put this piece right on the edge of where my mark was That is that is what’s going to keep my consistent Layout now you’ll notice just setting it on this base trim which we shot with a laser It’s not perfect. I’m about maybe 1/8 Away from my line. You always put the material where you want it Don’t worry about the push in the pole if you lay it out properly and everything is level there can be a little bit of scrunch or Expansion in the panel with the ribs depending on the tensile strength and how it goes through the roller now with this door opening here We’re not going to do anything for now. We’re just gonna go ahead and pack this Just so it doesn’t go anywhere and when we come and install this door and trim it out I’ll show you guys why that makes sense and what’s important about the layout for doors and windows? Having the screw holes already punched Takes all the guesswork out of trying to be straight and consistent and You’re always going to be Right where you want it and it’s gonna take a lot less effort to install it Now that we’re putting the panel on you can see here what I was talking about This is what we call our good rib There’s no leg on it’s just you know goes right around and then our siphon leg is right here So you see this the way this is a lot deeper Now if you’re looking at it from the top any wind driven rain that word it by chance get through here it’s gonna stop and not be able to siphon any further because of this gap that is Right there so that’s the Anti-siphon leg and I’ve done this enough that I kind of know The push and pull and the feel of your steel and how you want it to go. So we’ve all got We’ve all kind of got our methods of doing it How you like to install the steel? Personally for me. I like to go ahead and tack the leading edge Right on my mark like so I Like to come up here to this level line make sure I’m right where I want it Then I come over here and make sure I got a nice lap And then I’ll just kind of keep going and we’ll run out all of this Wayne’s coat in the exact same fashion You So now we’re on to the end wall and we’ve already got our wainscot everything’s been laid out what I wanted to do is take a second and tell you guys how we figure out how to cut that angle way up there and what the dimension is For all these sheets because we’re only going to measure once and we will use that measurement for the rest of the sheets So check it out first thing that I’m gonna do while I’m here is I’m going to double check even though I already know where My Girt lines are for my punch rows. Now when we laid this building out on our story bolt We made sure they were 32 inch spaces I’ll reduce a 32 inch space on my steel for my punch hole locations all the way up to the bottom Cord of that trust and I’ll need to get that dimension which will require an extra hand So I’ll get Greg in here in a minute go greg, whatever. You’re ready I guess I could try did I get So what we’ve got is a 16-foot height measurement, so I’m always going to take a tight measurement. We actually make So the awesome thing about a engineered building like what we have where we have a 4-12 end truss the pitch on it is for 12 as Long as our trim that this steel is setting on is leveled Our building is plumb and everything is like it should then It’s so easy Once you have the first sheet installed to just use that same dimension because I order my sheets One foot increments so every sheet. It’s one foot longer because a 4-12 pitch on Three foot of run is one foot So that means I can use the same dimension on every sheet to start the angle of my pitch Also since I know people are going to ask why don’t you house wrap the gable of Your building well because this is going to be a heated insulated building with a ceiling therefore those trusses Up. There are just going to be empty dead space in the Attic and I’m not really concerned with air infiltration through the metal Not stopping it on the roof. Therefore. Why should I worry about stopping it on the end? So we’re gonna draw air through The eave soffits we’ve got a solid soffit on the gable and it’s gonna go out of our ridge vent up at the ridge So really for us, it’s just kind of a cost analysis time labor Material I don’t think it’s really worth it. Remember we’re using the house wrap strictly as a air barrier we just want to prevent air from blowing through our Conditioned space which is not up there in the trusses And if you’re curious, I’ll try to tag a video that I did talking to Matt Risinger Who is he’s a fellow youtuber? I met him talked with them good friend, and he’s a building scientist. So I Take his word. He’s done a lot of research and he told me that the way we’re doing it is perfectly acceptable Compared it to a Yeti cooler So if you want to check that out go take a look in the link above there or down in the description So right here is the first location where layout makes a huge difference You can see right where that door trim is hitting the panel You’ll notice that we’re in the flat of the panel. We’re not next to a rib So where that water is gonna go out over the panel It’s in the flat and I’ll show you exactly what that looks like now you can see why it’s in important to make the correct layout because if this rib Was over here right where that was terminating I would not be able to push the water out over the panel You can see I’m tucked up Over the steel so the side still goes up in there so any water Coming down the wall is going to go out over top of the J channel If you don’t lay out the building properly and you get a rib right here All that water would be forced to go right into the rib And it’s going to get behind your steel and cause problems down the road. So here’s one of the key locations that are important to Take note of and that is Raj door opening As far as windows and doors are concerned what I always like to do and what I’ve done here is I Already know my layout I already know that there’s gonna be a rib every 9 inches off the corner because I’ve got that perfect divisible 120 foot on this wall So what that means is I can lay out exactly Where my ribs are gonna go and I’ve done that with these lines here on this window header first off I already know because we’ve done this a million times Our windows are four foot wide and because of that dimension It works really good. If we make sure a window is dead center on a rib so center of rib center of window So that’s how I like to lay them out But I can shift it over and go in the center of a flat and still work out, but you’ll see here I’ve got a rib location in the rib location if I move it too far this way to get in the center of this flat This side is going to get too close to the center of that rib and vice versa if I go the other way So make sure you check the dimensions of your windows and lay it out accordingly so that it does not fall right on a rib Here on the window now, I can’t show you guys exactly on this project what to do when there is a rib That’s right there because it does happen once in a while and I will make sure that I share it when it happens the next time So make sure if you haven’t you hit that subscribe button or turn on that bail Notification so you don’t miss any future videos if that’s some thing that you would love to learn in the future So I will definitely do that. Thank you, but that’s how we lay out the windows It’s very simple know where your ribs are gonna be Make sure you put the window so that your sides do not hit those ribs and I will show you once the windows installed Why that’s so important. All right. So now that we have this wok door installed the steel around it it’s very evident while layout is key with wok doors because You don’t want this top trim dying in a rib So this is loose right now so that I could show you you see how the steel Will go up Underneath the trim any water that comes down This wall is gonna hit this trim and is going to be forced out over the edge and it’s gonna come down the side steel if this rib was not laid out properly or your doorway and that rib Was at the end of your trim on either side you would be forcing water Right behind your building or you’d have to rely on cock alone and I always try to say do your best then caulk the rest a Mechanical flash is always better than a cock flashing. So don’t rely on caulk so I’m going to assume you can see here With a window while layout is important remember we hit the rib right in the center of our window got some caulk there and What that allowed us to do was to have our over cut still stay in the flat and we got this rib here Which is nice when we do shutters It gives us something to put our shutters against but for now you can see this little bit of Steel is up above the top of the window and That’ll be key when we go to put our trim on which I’ll show you in a little bit but this is so important to be in the flat when you end your Cut across the top of a window that is how you stay leak-free So now that we have two pieces of steel up around this window what I’m going to do is I’m going to take a piece of Jay and I’m gonna kind of Feed it Starting on one side. I’m just gonna kind of work it as I go So now once the window is installed you can definitely see the layout mattered It put us perfectly in between these ribs as best we could Because if we were to shift either way, it would get just a little bit too close for comfort to that rib but the way it stands now water will come out and go over just like it did on the walk door so I don’t really know if there’s a whole lot more I can tell you about layout other than the fact that clearly it does matter and If ever you’re gonna work with steel panels there really any building at all know the Process know where your end result is wanting to be and then make sure you lay things out properly to get to that point even Though we spent time laying out the metal It really goes back all the way to the beginning of the build when we started the layout at the foundation making sure things were square and then when we started building our structure making sure it was plumb and everything was accurate because if those things aren’t Correct. Then when it gets to the point where you’re putting your finishes out It doesn’t matter how much you layout it is difficult. If you haven’t done all of the steps up until that point correctly so I just want to stress that layouts important a lot of you have asked me how we make sure we don’t hit ribs on the windows how we layout so we don’t have ribs on the corner trims and I think I touched all of those so if you’ve got any questions still drop them down below in the comments and I’ll hit these points on Future build series, but until then guys, I hope you enjoyed the video Hopefully you learned something because in the end that’s what this is all about I live this day every day, so I don’t need to relive it again, but I do it for you guys So if you are enjoying it It does mean a lot if you hit the subscribe button And if you are subscribed hit the bell and get notified every time we drop a future video but for now it’s getting dark and I got a lot to do to wrap up before I go home and clean up so we’ll catch you guys on the next video Thanks a lot

79 thoughts on “Layout Metal Siding Tips and Tricks

  1. I wish you were local to Ohio. I need a sheet metal ceiling put in my 32×48 shop and can't find anyone good enough to do it.

  2. Wow your videos are top notch. Very good content and any question I may have are answered. Thank you keep them coming, cant wait for the next.

  3. good tip on laying out windows to the ribs on the siding, but what do you do when a rib falls next to a door layout that you can't move?

  4. Was wondering if you've ever looked into using, "diamond Pier"/"foundation frame" pin pile foundation systems? or if you have thought about using the products for any of your builds??

  5. Who else watched the whole 24 mins? Very informational. I’m not in this industry, but I love to watch other people be so perfect in their craft. Amazing work man! ????

  6. I love watching your videos, Kile, although I'm 66 now and handicapped due to back problems, I hope to get my first home. I now know how to do stuff.

  7. Great content as usual! I'd kill to work with you guys, the results are always spectacular. I'd love to see a video purely on all your trim details and cuts, you're like a damn wizard with the snips haha. Thanks again

  8. This might be my favorite video you have ever posted. Your knowledge and tips are wonderful !! Enjoy all of them, but this extra time really made a lot of sense to me !! Keep up the good work !! Do y'all ever build near Indianapolis,IN ???

  9. Man I wish I could build something like this. One question though, you guys are safe from tornadoes right? I heard that we had over 3000 tornadoes in 2017, I can't even imagine what 2020 is going to be like 🙁

  10. Another seller explanation Kyle!
    Was just talking with my best friend who is a GC,about how important math is.
    But more importantly,that it needs to be shown how the division is figured first.
    5 can be a total of 1+4 or 2+3.

  11. I used Lowes brand house wrap on a deer blind I'm building and before I got the siding on it leaked rain in everywhere, come to find out after watching Matt Risinger that cheap box store house wrap leaks water, so tell me why anyone would use Lowes Brand House wrap? How can something that leaks water like a sieve keep out wind? I was under the understanding that the house wrap is the water and wind barrier, and whatever you put over that wrap is just for aesthetics and not necessarily on there for building weatherization. Tyvek seems to be the way to go, is Block It a similar product?

  12. Really enjoy watching your methods of how you get the finish on the buildings! This one pointed out more items in better detail!! Keep up the Great work!! Quality workmanship is tough to find!! Thanks!!

  13. 2 quick questions. When you measured for your first gable panel, do you not trust the little laser measuring device you have? And what's your thought on putting rain diverters on the bottom of your metal or snow bars up the roof alittle? Around here we have to put them on some of our roofs

  14. What is maximin truss length you use without having any center support beams? Another nice feature for using house wrap is if you plan to go with spray foam insulation. The spray will stick against the house wrap instead of the steal so should you ever have to replace a panel you won't have to deal with the spray foam being stuck to the steel. Just pop the steel panel off you need to replace and pop the new one on without disturbing the spray foam insulation.

  15. Since you are sealing the air barrier to itself, you should tape to bottom metal trim so it doesn't come up inside the wall.

  16. It's so fascinating to watch how much care you and your crew put into each and every step of the process of erecting these buildings. Kyle, your attention to detail is simply amazing and like no other I've ever seen and I was in construction of decks, screened in porches, room additions and roofing. I've really seen how some contractors will take shortcuts and just plain sloppy work. VERY NICE work my friend. ?? Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours Kyle. Take care and God Bless. ~Jay~.

  17. Thank you Kyle! I know that’s hard work & not many men could do it!
    But I appreciate your teaching. Now I don’t do that type of contracting (finish guy) but I often use what u show toward other things ? Especially the layout and tools!
    When I say most men could not do it? Yet I hear all the time “I just wanted to not tear myself up , blah, blah, blah!
    It’s a tough, hard, dangerous job! My dad built homes and he is a stud!
    Again thanks! God bless u & yours!

    Kings Table Custom Finish Carpentry

  18. I would just plumb one panel and measure the rest.
    Every time you use the level , the more chance of an error.
    You guys have it figured out for sure.
    Great work.

  19. Thank you for all the videos. I love the tips and tricks. I've ballooned framed houses most of my life. I'm wanting to build a 45×65 post frame and these videos sure helps me feel more comfortable with doing this. I even feel more comfortable with buying the correct tools too. Didn't even think about window and door placement according to the ribs. Thank you Thank you Thank you. You undoubtedly just saved me a major mistake. Keep up the great work and Happy Thanksgiving to all of you.

  20. Kyle, FYI, I got involved with a professional training/teaching enterprise a few years ago. Several things were given to me about delivering a lecture to a class; one of the most important was to engage the attention and keep it moving. The best lectures, often the ones the students got the most from, had a sense of timelessness- time didn't seem to pass, but much ground got covered. I just learned more in 24 minutes than I thought I could and your delivery, whether planned or instinctive was great. Love your tutorials; I'm a plumber by trade, and the teaching was a "second" career after I was too beat up to do the open site jobs, so I've never had any reason to learn about laying out walls- floors in kitchens and bathrooms I know; walls not so much! Your explanation didn't touch on the architectural side, but you layout rules help to make the openings look like you planned for them to be exactly where you put them- and it showed in your physical presentation. Subbed a while ago- and still learning!FR

  21. Great video brother.. love watching you & learning your tips , I’m not post framing I’m framing houses but it’s great to learn new things , makes me a better all around carpenter.. You do amazing work. Live the dream bro ! ??

  22. As a drywall finisher who works on alot of polebuilding shop houses and wanting to build a pole building I am depressed looking at your quality and what I am seeing being built around my area.

  23. Hi Kyle, Can you make a video detailing how you do the whole eve and gable? Including all the trim pieces, I pretty much know how it's done, but there are a couple of things I am not sure about, including how to fasten the vented fascia to a rafter that is on an angle, plus wrapping under the edges and to the inside part of the roofing. Thanks Tons, You do a great job, 🙂 P.S. Tell Greg I love his house now, he should have the ladies knocking the door down now!

  24. great info…..but what do you do when building in a high wind area when it comes to lapping the steel to avoid the lap curling back?

  25. Great video. I don't build post frame buildings, but enjoy the information. Unfortunately, I live in a hurricane area so not possible. Thank you for sharing your tricks. I find it mesmorizing how everything lines up so perfectly.

  26. Hi, can you provide step dimentions on bulding -in Ru we buld same from stell and it much stronger and expencive), intresting wertical step horizontal step. and if you can use more dimentions in video-it will be better)

  27. I totally agree with Kyle. Layout and pre-planning are critical to a proper job, but you can also look at it in a purely selfish way. You are throwing away money. Why spend extra time and physical effort as a result of poor layout and planning? You could be moving on to the next paying job a lot sooner instead of struggling to finish the mess you are in. A lot of head work can save you a lot of back work and increase your yearly income at the same time.

  28. Happy Thanksgiving to you Kyle enjoy your videos that you show us in the layout work. I never miss any of them enjoy them all take care

  29. Russ > Ann Arbor, Michigan GO BLUE BEAT Ohio State vs UM On Saturday 12 -1 – 19 Happy Thanksgiving Guys GREAT Video ' s EnJoYeD By Me !

  30. Happy Thanksgiving Kyle. Another good video! The details at the windows are great and I know you've covered them before on how to cut but going over it again is the best way to hit it home. Your layout techniques would suit you well for hanging drywall, laying out a shower enclosure, or setting tile. It's all in the math and the material dimensions.

    QUESTION: How do you keep any rust stains from running on the building from where the metal is cut and exposed? Can anything be done like maybe have a few cans of rattlecan clear? Thanks!

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