G&E Shaper Universal Table Repair Part 2

G&E Shaper Universal Table Repair Part 2


Here are the clamps That hold the table tight and these are hardened But I’ve got them polished up. I’m trying to clean up Everything as I go you know as I get to it I want to clean it up and polish it so I hit these on my scotch brite wheel in there on the grinder same thing with the hex nuts and The washers too even these washers I’ve noticed numbers on every single thing on this machine. even these washers have the part number on it 20137 So we got everything blown off there and cleaned and we’re going to go ahead and Drop one down Put a washer there, and then this one’s going to get a washer here since the stud come off We’ll just snug them up Gonna try to get this straightened up here, it’s a little dented area It looks like something landed on it and hit it and bent it Polished up the two end wiper holders as well. They go right here. I took the screws that were still good, And just got them cleaned up, wire brushed the crud off them and you gave them a quick polish and To get this back together today. I’m gonna use these and I’ve got a few of these Socket head bolts here that will take the place of the ones that were bad But what I’m going to do is I’m gonna make an order today from McMaster-Carr To get all new screws here for these. We’ll get a bunch of these to replace. I’m going to order new felt This is quarter by 5/8 felt strip, so I’ll order a bunch of that and we’re also gonna I’m gonna buy some more screws For these screws here, I’m going to take one of those out and measure the length of those I’m gonna get new screws for there. I’m going to check these screw lengths to here for these way wipers it should be the same on the side and just take a little inventory and just go ahead and get them all at one time and replace all the screws once I get them all in I Got all the felts soaked with wd-40 It’s gonna be the right way there There she is all back together I’ve been squirting more wd-40 up in there on the wipers So here’s the little brass pointer that Sets your zero mark on your angle got that polished up I Had a little scare with the screw, man I was over there polished it and it flung it out of my fingers, and I thought it was gone forever I started looking around for it Kind of gave up on it. You know it was kind of like looking around like oh, man I’m just gonna have to like buy another one. I guess and then I just look over and there it sits I Really like the way these way wipers look polished up and I plan on keeping them like that just to kind of add some really nice metal contrast to the machine. I got the clamps loose That’s how it’s supposed to work All right, so we got the vice sitting over here on a piece of wood I’m gonna get it picked up and I’m gonna clean the bottom of it really well and clean the washers because they’re still on it, and then we’re gonna get it mounted back up over here This is the table support that bolts to the front of the table and it helps support it You know, add rigidity to it. Just rest here on the machine face and I’m cleaning this up now that you know make it look good. Just like the rest of it and This this surface here is pretty well abused. A lot of chips probably get pulled up into this face This is the bolt and the washer that goes through it You tighten this up once you get your table set and this helps support the front of the table So I’m gonna go a little bit more aggressive on this clean, and I’m gonna use these These Norton blaze wheels here It’s like a deburring wheel but it deburrs and polishes But you have to be careful with these because they will cut they will remove metal, but if you use it light It’ll actually clean that and you can deburr the high spots on it and also remove the you know the extra paint stuff like that Don’t forget your earplugs because them grinders are loud That paint right there It also looks to me like this has kind of been a hammer Face here over the years you know people Probably raising the table up forgetting to loosen this bolt and then hit it with the hammer to drop it down We got that one cleaned up, and I’m gonna do this side see it’s just it’s just as bad nasty Okay, we got that one cleaned up there too, so this this works fine on something like that now I would not recommend using this on Something like the actual machine table On a real precision fit because like I said, this will cut metal You just want to use it to kind of polish and lightly deburr or something that’s not so critical or you can use it over Here on the paint to you know to remove paint it works good for that too That’s it right there So once you get your table set where you want to make your cut and tighten that up And it’ll support against the base of the machine there Okay, so here’s the vise thought I’d give you a good peek at it as well since I’ve showed you the other parts there’s a look at underneath the What a shaper vise looks like this is kind of standard for shaper vices The the four nuts that hold the vise down and tight once you loosen those it actually swivels in there Interesting fact that they did now, I don’t know if it’s as it was factory or if it was aftermarket mod But it’s got brass washers up in there which that might be a Factory option there because this is a this is a point right here that you Loosen and tighten quite often whenever this is a machine That’s being put in use So I’ll clean these up And reuse them and we’re going to scotch-brite the bottom of that real good clean it real good And then we’ll put it back on the table I’m going to give it one last wipe Make sure there’s no dust stuck to it Let me show you the washers each of the four locations where the nut goes I took the washers off and They’re brass washers and you can tell they’re in pretty rough shape But they’re doing their job And they’re protecting the vise though So what I did is I took some measurements down of this and I’m going to remake these but for now I’m going to put Them on there so we can get this thing going, but I am going to replace these Now I don’t know if I had mentioned it. There is a hole right here. That is a that’s a pin that’s actually in the bottom of the vise here and That’s a locating pin, and I believe it’s to keep the vise from actually being able to be pushed off of this table Even if the nuts were loose there there’s one on the flat side of the table as well a Little bit tricky down one. I think we’re about to have that Just lower it down till it seats into that locating hole there I’m gonna put them on there in the same place that they were Because they’re just kind of conformed to the base of the vice And by the way I polished these up too. I’m polishing up any bare metal thing that I can Okay, we are just about ready to start tramming Gonna go ahead and kind of snug them up, there. and then we’re going to do our parallel in the bottom of the vise and Tram in the top of the parallel and then we’ll tram end this jaw of the vise as well, get it 90 degrees It’s only a day and a half late we can start getting this thing trammed in now I think we finally got it going our way, so let’s not forget that we’re going to have to tram this table both directions But now I want to get it level on the tilt, but we’re gonna have to rotate This around and go side to side So that we can get our our Rotation correct as well since we’ve rotated at the table around. Let’s go ahead and do this first. I’ve got it free set here Takes a few minutes to get that going That was just eyeballed on the Graduations over here, so let’s see what is that about about .024 maybe? Not quite touching the zero line Let me show you what I’m talking about, here’s the reader right here, and you can see I’m just your line But we’ve got a little bit more to go. Going to put the crank right there, and we’re gonna get it trammed in I’m going to do some adjusting right here as it’s moving Real close, maybe .001 Oh, I tell you what I need to do, I need to go ahead and lock the knee gibs over here I want to make sure that sucked up against the ways Still about .001″ Looking pretty good right there Looks like it’s got maybe a little movement during the stroke It’s probably moving in the in the way gib right here But it looks like if you go from end to end It’s pretty well even on that indicator About minus 2 is minus 2 That looks like minus 1, so I’m gonna call that square right there. That’s within one to two tenths I believe I went ahead and swiveled the vice and reset the indicator here. Pretty good ways off there about the same amount we were before. That’s going to be these four nuts here, I don’t have them very tight, just double check And we’ll use this worm gear down here I’m just checking, okay, that’s going to be the right direction pushing it I’m gradually adjusting it as it’s coming across Boy, that ain’t much now. .0005″ This can get a little tricky Seems to be as close as I can get it, but that way is I’d say within .0002″ I think maybe closer than that, but got a little bit of wear in the machine I believe I think things are moving around and it’s very possible that this parallel may be out .0001″ or so I don’t know You can see the slack in it whenever I engaged the rapid basically zero right here It’s going to move about .0002″ And once you let go it settles on -.0001″, so I’m calling that square. Gonna lock her down. Alright now we just want to get our vice 90 degrees Let’s see how close it is. I got that line right on 90 down here Hey, .010″, huh? Alright, so I’m going to use a rawhide and bump the end of the vice here Alright here we go Our first test cuts are going to be on this block of mild steel here, which is going to end up being this cam plate one of the parts that I’m missing off the G&E so if you measure the thickness here we’re just under two inches, so that’s actually 1 15/16″ right there and This is two and a half inches, so I’ve got a good half inch of metal that I can play with Practice with on the machines on this right here, and then we have a little bit off The width this way that we can go as well but this half inch will give me some good material that I can play with and see how the machine cuts Think we’re ready to make our very first cut guys. I’m excited about this so Got everything locked the way. It should be I’m going to touch off with the compound up here and we’ll start off kind of conservative on our strokes per minute, and I’ll get in a little bit more detail about how I I’m going to be setting the proper strokes per minute for the material and the length of cut there I’m going to drop it down a little bit light And then we’ll kind of see how everything’s reacting we’ll start off with a light cut I’m going to start with 1/16″ deep, .060″ And maybe .020″ feed rate over this way, so let’s give it a try Bring it down real close Alright, that should be our zero set Alright, feed rate’s set, got that locked, table’s locked. Let’s try it. Alright, let me go ahead and get a little cutting oil on it. It’s doing it. This is a .040″ step over. That’s double what we first started with Nothing to it We’re going to make one more test cut So I doubled the depth and we’re down to 1/8″ deep this time I backed off on the feed to .020″ step-over Let’s see how it does The machine feels really solid It just feels nice and smooth. All you can feel is whatever slack is in the gear train whenever it finally touches the part there Very nice .030″ step over We’re gonna watch it finish that out so that total depth there will be 3/16″ about .190″ It’s flinging them. The machine is handling it just fine, but the tool isn’t doing as good as I was hoping. Going to need to play around with the Angles on that grind there There it is! What do you guys think. We got a shaper? You bet we got a shaper and we’ve got one that’s making chips, finally! I’m really excited to get to this point. It’s been all weekend trying to get this thing ready to cut And I feel good about the progress that I made on it And it’s been great getting into it and kind of discovering how the machine is/was built and put together and how everything works So really excited to get to this point, but we’re not done yet. We still got plenty to do I want to get all this cleaned up up here and make it look more Clean and pretty like the rest of it down here that I’ve done And we still got some wiper work to get into so I’m just happy that we can start making chips, so That’s that’s going to be the next step is start getting some material cut in and playing around with tool grinds and I’ve been reading my books and trying to learn a little bit more about the the ways of the shaper, so Anyway, I hope you guys enjoyed and thank you for following along And thank you guys for all the support that you that you’ve given me, and it’s not done yet we’ve still got a lot of videos to come I’m excited about this and It’s a machine that I’m excited to have and finally I have in my hands and learn how to operate it Okay, so we’ll bring you back soon

100 thoughts on “G&E Shaper Universal Table Repair Part 2

  1. Thank you for not only showing the machine operating but also taking us thorough the machine and giving us the how and why it works the way it does.  You did the same with the K&T horizontal.

  2. Fantastic to see the Shaper up and running. I've used a Butler 660, my favorite machine in the shop, here in the UK. Just one comment, why haven't you got the Clapper box set vertical? The tool wouldn't drag so much on the return stroke. Lots of fun firing chips into our goal shaped swarf/chip bin.
    Great to see all your shop & work place and nice to see Florida.

  3. No better way than becoming familiar with a tool or machine and even learning what it does then taking it apart and maintaining and lubing etc… so cool Adam. Now this G&E is officially an ABOM machine.

  4. Hey Adam, does your grey scotchbrite deburring wheel also kick up fluff and dust so bad that u need a respirator or mask? Or do i have a bad wheel? Anyone else?

  5. Well that was satisfying. Adam you have a way with machines, I see so many guys forcing things and not listening to the machine. You really have a feel with the controls that few have and its awesome to watch.

  6. hello Adam, thanks for your video's here. I've been following this for a while now and I'm thrilled. Greetings from Germany

  7. Adam, Another wonderful video and so great to see an old machine back in operation. Is it OK to use carbide tipped tooling on this machine?

    Eric

  8. Your most interesting machine .. finally working. Good job, I can`t wait your next video. It remember me some old stuffs from my childhood, looking at may father at the workshop, working on the lathe and shaper, the smell of the burned oil…almost 30 years ago.

  9. Adam, I have a total rookie question……..What is it that allows the tool to cut the work piece and does NOT allow the work piece to wear out the tool through shear friction? Is it just the hardness of the tool?

  10. ya that's runnin real smooth, and love the shiney felt retainers and every thing. that be a good machine for some kieth fenner style pshycadelic  slow motion shots and is that a surface grinder I see in the back there I don't remember you having a surface grinder?

  11. to get that last thousandth on the tilt, I'm curious how much you had to move the adjustment nut? Just bumping it slightly?

  12. Super cool shaper, I’m really looking forward to all the vids you make on your shaper.!.!.!. P. S. And all the things that you may add to it.!.

  13. Congrats on the chips! The shaper is running really nice and smooth.
    Talking about getting things caught in the scotch brite wheel, I used to work with jewellery and at one place I worked we had a polishing machine that had a huge 3 horse motor that had a 12 inch mop on each end. When you got things caught on one of those they would usually hit the ground by your feet and end up smashed flat, whatever the item was. It was great to use though, you could really lean into it and have no worries about stalling the motor.

  14. Hey Adam nice to see the beast running. Runs nice and quiet. Has a few similarities to the 22" Strigon I got at Christmas.

  15. Hi Adam love your videos quick question what is the scotch brite wheel you have on your bench grinder I need one of those thanks Jeff

  16. Nice video Adam. Just be sure to replace the wipers sooner than later. WD-40 dries into a sticky film after approximately 1 year.

  17. Adam great video but Dude what are you doing showing your cleaning skills? Don't let Abby see this video or otherwise you being dusting furniture and scrubbing toilets!

  18. Dude I must say that I love your attention to detail, I was a mechanic for over thirty years and there are very few today that have such attention to detail. I am not a machinist but love learning anything and am a regular viewer.

  19. I used to shape a bit on our G&E in the workshop when i was really young. We had 2 of them in the apprentice school when i was learning machining. The half moon chips are good shape, but you want to get like a 2 circle chip in the end when you get more experienced. When shaping a part you have to keep in mind you are pushing alot of energy into that material with half moon chips so cut those tools with a good wide chip groove so the energy goes into the chip when you cut the material otherwise the edges of your material where you enter and exit the material will get compressed.

  20. The tool holder is inserted in reverse. https://www.google.com/search?q=%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9+%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%86&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjGjv2d19LZAhWG6CwKHZfRAdAQsAQIKA&biw=1680&bih=936#imgrc=cbDd17uKJXMznM:

  21. Absolutely great service on the shaper!! Absolutely great video!! Top notch in every way!! Thanks for sharing!!

  22. Adam you seem to be pretty lucky, so could you please come to my basement because when I drop something it seems to have legs.

  23. Make yourself a set of V-blocks to mount on the table so you can shape keyways into bores of gears, hubs or whatever. I've been doing it for 20 years on the exact same machine.

  24. Nice work Adam. Have you though about electroplating all the bare metal after polishing? It would keep way better.

  25. It is human nature to 'copy' those we admire and respect so I have found myself automatically working 'cleaner' in my shop. Putting parts on pots as I go, hoovering shavings after each op, even though i am only working in wood. Replacing tools in their 'home' where believe it or not is where I find them next time I need them! 'N generally pacing myself and thinking with my mind not my hands. It adds another level of enjoyment to my tinkering and fettling, so thank you Adam, for sneaking into my subconscious and messing with my MIND!!!!

  26. 827 Comments and no one mentioned that if the clapper box was angled in the opposite direction the tool will swing away from the previous cut on the return stroke instead of into the uncut material and drag will be greatly reduced increasing your tool life.

  27. Experience has told me, over time, that the very first place to look when you drop something is the last place you would think of looking. That is probably exactly where it lays!

  28. clap … mmm … clap … mmm … clap (etc.)
    Suddenly I understand why the tool holder is called a clapper box 😀

  29. adam when you mic a table you need to mic the table first. then the piece your working on. that way you start from true

  30. I am not a machinist but I do enjoy your show. I like that these Grand old machines are enjoying a refurbished life with you. Please continue on. Thanks

  31. i lost a 1/8" boring bar bit the same way the other day. it caught on the grinder wheel and i heard it bounce off the shop door…i'll never find it! i'm just glad it didn't lodge in my face or arm like my chisel did last year…ouchy. it's still under my skin!

  32. LOVE IT! Congrats on your acquisition and restoration, Adam. I know you’re as tickled as a kid at Christmas.

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