BMW M850i & Bentley Bentayga Review; FCA/Peugeot Merger | Talking Cars with Consumer Reports #228

BMW M850i & Bentley Bentayga Review; FCA/Peugeot Merger | Talking Cars with Consumer Reports #228

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served, so email us today. We’d love to see you there. [MUSIC PLAYING] We rented a Bentley Bentayga
and BMW M850i convertible. We give our impressions of these
super rare and super expensive cars. We talk about the potential
merger of Peugeot and Fiat Chrysler and what it
means to consumers. We answer audience questions
next on Talking Cars. Hi and welcome back. I’m Mike Quincy. I’m Jake Fisher. And I’m Keith Barry. So one of the news stories that
we’ve been following this week is a potential merger between
French automaker Peugeot and Fiat Chrysler, often
referred to as FCA. According to the New
York Times, combined these two companies sell 8.7
million vehicles per year, making the new company
slightly bigger than GM, trailing only Volkswagen,
Toyota, and the Renault-Nissan Alliance in terms of
vehicle production. So– That’s– Yeah, that’s– it can be
really big news and honestly, for all things French, we
turn to Keith Barry who is our resident French car expert
in case you didn’t know that actually existed. I’m not tremendously
excited about this. This is a business deal. This does not mean that
we’re going to be– so Peugeot PSA is the parent
company, Peugeot and Citroen– and it doesn’t mean
that we’re going to be seeing a Citroen Cactus,
which is the C3 was actually just discontinued. [INTERPOSING VOICES] The Citroen Cactus– I–I– rented– You’re not going to be seeing– with the air bumps on the side? Yes. I rented one– Aren’t they cool? When I was in Italy. It’s gone. Yeah. Aww. It’s gone. Yeah. This is the national
car of Arizona, I mean. But no matter what,
we’re not going to be seeing this sort
of current generation of cool French cars
in the United States. That’s just not going to happen. We know this because a lot of us
talk to some industry analysts and, basically, what
analysts are saying is that this gives an
opportunity for two car companies to strengthen
their position ahead of some turbulent
times for automakers. Electrification, you know,
emissions regulation, a potential economic downturn. That, basically,
these two companies are trying to work with
each other’s strengths to make a stronger company
that can weather that. To plan for the future. To plan for the future. So the cars today–
you know, Peugeot has already said,
I mean, they’ve been saying for
the past 30 years, but that they want to come
back to the United States. But they actually have
a US headquarters. It’s apparently inside
of a WeWork in Atlanta. [LAUGHTER] So, you know, it’s not exactly. But they brought– they
brought a Peugeot 508 to the United States. Some of our colleagues
have seen it driving around in manufacturer plates. They’re trying to figure
out the US market. The other thing is that
these two companies do different things differently. Peugeot does a really
good job at small cars. I drove a 308 a few years back. Absolutely loved it. You thought I was kidding
about the whole French car. No. I go to the– I go to the rental desks
when I’m in Europe and say, I want something French
and they say why? [LAUGHTER] Give you croissants. Especially in Germany. And they say, really? But anyhow. But FCA has Jeep. FCA has those SUV platforms. PSA doesn’t
necessarily have those. They borrow some
from Mitsubishi, which is weird because they’re
in a different alliance now. The PSA also has Opel ,
which used to be part of GM. Right. And so all of these, they
sort of complement each other. And I think going forward we’ll
see some product planning. But right now, we’re
not going to be getting, you know, a Citroen DS from
the past or your family’s old Peugeot, right? You had one, right? Yeah. Yeah. When I was a little kid. My parents had a ’73 504. You know, but– Was it diesel? Well, we actually
got rid of that and we got a ’79
that was diesel. Both of those are still
taxis somewhere in the world. They were. Yes. You know, look, I mean, Peugeot
has been away for so long that they’ve kind of gone
through all different trials and tribulations and they’ve
changed what they were. I mean, those Peugeots in
the ’70s were very luxurious and they rode nice and then. I mean, the truth is
is that I wouldn’t say the Peugeot is definitely
like top level car company right now. So I mean, here’s the issue,
is that we kind of seen this with FCA before. So the whole thing– let’s– let’s talk,
call it what it is. It’s about platform sharing. OK? That’s what we’re talking about. And we’ve seen this with Fiat. So I mean, you look at– look at Chrysler,
look at Dodge, right? I mean a lot of Dodges
going around still have Mercedes Benz
underpinnings– Right. Because– They’re in transmission. [LAUGHS] Well, I mean, like you know,
Dodge Challenger, Charger. And that kind of has some of
the guts of a Mercedes Benz e class. And then we had the
Dodge Dart which had the underpinnings of a Fiat. And so there’s a lot
of platform sharing. What this is going to mean– Jeep Renegade, Fiat 500x. But– but these other– Yeah. But the Jeep Renegade, that’s
still kind of like a Fiat. Yeah. But they really didn’t
work because, I mean, Fiats haven’t sold that well. And they’re– [INTERPOSING VOICES] Well, the issue is– And they’re cancelling
the 500 for 2020. The issue is–
well, from the view of what we see people
really interested in cars, they want cars
that are reliable, that are going to
work for a long time. I don’t know if Peugeot
is necessarily the one that they need that for. So, I mean, mergers are nothing
new in the auto industry. And Peugeot’s talking
about maybe not even going to be back in
the US market until 2026. So in terms of the consumer and
what they can expect to see, , I mean we don’t have any insight
into their product planning, I guess, I mean. Well, yeah. And what changed? I think what you
expect to see is some of the next
generations we’re going to see from
Chrysler, and Dodge, or whatever, you’re going
to have shared components that are going to be global. Right. We’ve seen this
before with Fiat. This doesn’t necessarily
make them better. But, you know what? There are certain
economies of scale and maybe they could
pass the savings onto us. We can only hope. And as we know more,
we’ll tell you more. Which brings us to what
we’re driving this week. And in some ways, it’s kind of
like the fantasy garage week. Someone’s fantasy. Exactly. That’s a good way of putting it. So what we did is
we rented some– two very high end,
very obscure cars. I’m going to try to get
the pronunciation right. A Bentley Bentayga SUV, as well
as a BMW M850i convertible. Now combined, these two vehicles
have over 1,000 horsepower and cost over $340,000. Now, why, Jake– Yes. Are we renting these cars? Why, why, why, why. Why do we rent cars in
general from other automakers? All right. So let’s get down to
the business here. I mean, when we test cars, we
test cars that we purchase. We purchase 50 cars,
about 50 cars every year, and we are only testing those. We do not get
handouts from the car. So if we were maybe some other
car magazine or something like that, not only would
be driving these cars, we would be on, like, their dime
going to the south of France driving them around. Or they drop it off at
your house for a week and you have it. And you know that if you
say something bad about it, you might not have
another one again. So we do have the
ability to say something bad, if warranted, or
something good, if warranted. But so when it comes
down to these vehicles, I mean, we’re talking about
vehicles that are around 100, you know, $100,000 or more,
it does not make sense. We do– we’re nonprofit here. It does not make sense for
us to purchase these vehicles and do the tests. We’re looking for
mainstream vehicles. These are not
mainstream vehicles. They sell like, maybe,
below 1,000 in a year. But what’s interesting
is that some of these vehicles,
including Bentleys have shown up on
some of our surveys. So people do own these vehicles. We do sometimes get
data on these vehicles in terms of satisfaction
and reliability. And there is a
need to say, well, it’s a little bit about the car. So in these cases, we
will go and get the cars from manufacturers. We pay for the use of them, so
we’re not taking the handouts. But we will create some content
and we can talk about them. We’re not, again, not putting
them through the tests. We’re not going to be
taking data off these. And quite often when
we rent vehicles, we’re looking for– sometimes
they have new cutting edge technology– Well, they used to, at least. Right. So does it– do you think
we found anything in this, either the Bentley or the 850i? Well, I’ve got the keys. They’re ridiculously large keys. That’s it. You’re driving for lunch today. For– Look at those keys. For both of these. Totally worth it. I have thoughts and feelings. [LAUGHTER] So I think, I mean, this is– Next on Oprah. These thoughts and feelings. This– this– Oprah’s been
off the air for like– all right. Next on Regis and Kathie Lee. We got, the Bentley’s
wheels alone are $16,000. This is a car that costs
more than a lot of houses. The wheels aren’t $16,000. Oh, yeah. The wheels are $16,000. The wheels are $16,000. The wheels aren’t $16,000. It comes with a
package that costs– first of all, $16,000
for any package is crazy. Right. And so it comes with
this– what is it called? I got notes here. Dave will be happy. It’s the Molinar
driving specification. Dave won’t be happy cause I’m
probably pronouncing it wrong. But that does cost 16,000,
which comes with 22 inch wheels, but it also comes with a
really nice interior stuff. The interior is incredible. And I assume because
you’re paying the $16,000, if you didn’t get
that, it would be like, what? Vinyl, you know, you
kind of hose it off. It would be like– [LAUGHTER] Sure. Right. Yeah. Let me start with a good point. Is that I think that
it’s very cool, to me, that– and I think that a
2,000– $200,000 SUV based on an Audi platform is obscene. I mean, I think that this is– I think it should
bring you coffee in the morning for
that much money. [INTERPOSING VOICES] They send a Volkswagen group. So the Lamborghini is a several
hundred thousand dollars platform sharing. But there is something
to be said here about culture heritage. I do think that
having these blokes in the Midlands in England,
who for three generations have been polishing
wood and doing this leather and this
upholstery and this hand built, coach built idea. I think it’s a good
thing that that exists. Charming. It is charming. It’s like a vacation
in the Cotswolds. I couldn’t afford a house there. But I’m glad they exist. But I’m glad that, say, the
Bentley Mulsanne exists. That is a Sedan that costs
twice as much as this SUV, often depending upon how it’s– but it has the Bentley
6 and 3/4 liter V8. It’s on its own platform. It’s its own sort of– a Bentley needs to
exist in the world. It just has to
exist, and it should be a big, beautiful
sedan: that’s powerful and somewhat understated. This is vulgar. I mean, if you’re
spending $220,000, $216,000, go out and get a Q8. This is the last time we’re
going to get a Bentley. $220,000, there’s no
adaptive cruise control? Oh, hold on. Let’s talk about
the car before we psychoanalyze the drivers
and the people who put this for sale. But that’s why these cars exist. But let’s talk–
this is car show. OK, we stick to cars. We’ve driven these cars. Yes, how did they drive? We could have had the speech
without driving the cars. How do they drive? So let’s talk about the Bentley. So the Bentley is the
one that we drove. It’s $215,000 for a
five passenger SUV. It smells incredible. So no, seriously. It’s like being inside like
an Italian handbag, I assume, because it’s like there’s
just leather everywhere. Everything is all stitch. And that’s I think
part of that $16,000 package, which you get
leather all the things. You are a wealthy
person’s small dog. It’s trying to remind
you how wealthy you are. So in terms of driving,
look, it’s fast. It’s got a lot of power. I will say this weekend I drove
our BMW X7, which is also quick and, I would say, drives better. It’s a little lighter, probably. The steering is a little better. It rides a little better. It’s a little bit quieter. But again, I mean, again,
not to psychoanalyze, but it’s a little bit of,
oh, but it’s a Bentley. So there’s a lot
of that going on. But here’s the thing. It’s like, what do you get. And this is part of the
reason that we’re actually driving these things. What do you actually get? Is it all that? It’s not all that. Yeah, it used to be at
the extreme high end. You would get, say, the
new S-Class would come out and it would debut DISTRONIC. You would have new technology– So the bones were
really special. I mean, like the S-Class,
I mean, we did test– I mean, one of the first
times we tested an S-Class, it’s like, oh my god,
this thing rides amazing. And it’s so quiet. And now they’re taking something
that exists and gussying it up. But the thing is, like, you can
get a mainstream vehicle that rides and handles really,
really well this thing. But it’s like, yes, it’s
got leather everything. But going back to the
ACC, what we drove did not have adaptive
cruise control. And you’re like, is that
standard these days. Well, it’s not. But I got really
into some of this– so by the way, the
car starts at $165,000 and then our car
had nearly $50,000 worth of options on top of that. And a lot of these
are made bespoke. You call up. You order it. I mean, the color, the
interior of this thing is [? absolutely ?]
[? customizable. ?] [INAUDIBLE] a cricket ball. Yes, that’s the secondary hide. Anyway, so– I’m
going to move on. It’s OK, because we’ve got
to get to the 8-50, too. But what I want to make a point
of is that, even at $200,000, it does not have
standard AEB, does not have Standard Automatic
Emergency Braking. The Nissan Versa has standard
automatic emergency breaking. The Toyota Corolla. No, our car does have– About a 20th. Our car, this one, did have a
city speed automatic emergency braking, but it
was a $4,000 option on top of all that other stuff. I suppose, if you buy a
Bentley, you’re just not as concerned about this. But again, we’re
Consumer Reports. So we’re looking at what are
you getting for your money. And it’s pretty clear that,
well, some substance but not as much as you would get
for cars costing much less. I’m getting hot on the collar. Can we talk about
the M8 now, the M850? Let’s go for the M850
convertible, 523 horsepower. Honestly, one of the best
things about this car is the power train. It just seems like it
has unlimited power, incredible acceleration,
great exhaust note. What did you guys– I drove it all weekend. So I’m like, oh, OK,
but what did you think. Again, it’s hard to
get over the price. I mean, it drives very nice. It’s a big car. The engine sounds incredible. It’s got the buttons
you could press. Sport mode. [? You could put it in ?]
sport plus, and then it’s starts
backfiring and sounds all cool. So if you’re not
obnoxious enough, you could kind of
tell everybody. I did the remote start
from outside the car just so I could hear the burble. You can hear the engine burble. I will say, though, I mean,
in test we have the SUPRA. And it also has a button on it. And it also makes that blat
blat sound for a lot less money. But maybe it’s not my thing. But I mean, look, you get
a nice warm summer night. You cruise around on it. Sounds great. It’s got the little
warmers on the headrest. It’s the neck scarf thing. Neck scarf stuff. I mean, it’s a
classic grand tour. I mean, and the handling,
it felt so big and planted. It felt like, when you
were going into a corner and you turn the wheel a
little, the car didn’t move but the earth moves around you. It was incredible. That’s a good visualization. I like that. I mean, for me, I think that
that’s a much better value for your money. If I had $216,000
to buy and I wanted a giant SUV and a fast car,
I’d buy an X7 and an M850i and it would still cost about
the [? same as that Bentley. ?] Well, see, actually, I was
thinking about that scenario too. Honestly, I would be– I wouldn’t buy either
of those, but– Even if I can afford
these two crazy cars, I would be much happier with
a Telluride and a Bullitt Mustang. That’s what I would get. I was going right
down the path of you– Telluride, and
I’ll take a Miata, by the way, which is way less. But I think what
really stands out for me is not such like
the emperor doesn’t have all the clothes. It’s more about how good
other cars have got. It’s not so much
like, wow, it’s good. But it’s like, you
get to a Telluride or you get some of
these others and it’s like, they’re really good too. You don’t have to spend six
figures to get a really, really well driving car. Speaking of borrowed
cars or rented cars, we did rent a high
trim version of– what was it– the Palisade. Yeah, so we had a high trim– It has quilted leather. It didn’t come from 12 cowhides,
but it had quilted leather. It was gorgeous
inside, absolutely. It was. Well, listen, that was
really the fantasy garage probably of all time for
Talking Cars podcast, which is going to move us on
to our next segment here, which is your questions. We love getting them. Text questions, video questions
[email protected] Please keep them coming. So first up is a video
question from Tim. And he’s got a question
about snow tires. Hi, Consumer Reports. I live about 15
miles from Chicago. We get about 28 days of
fresh snow each winter. So assuming we have
roughly 100 days of winter each year, that’s 28 days
where winter tires would be a big advantage. Consumer Reports reviews
show that winter tires have longer stopping
distances on wet or dry pavement than all season tires. So aren’t I sacrificing my
stopping distance about 70% of the winter for winter tire
traction on only 28 days out of the year? Thanks. I’ll hang up and
listen for my answer. All right, snow tires, Chicago– Keith, what do you got for Tim? So I did a little
research and found that it’s sort of an
issue of proportionality. Yes, snow tires don’t have
as– or I will call them winter tires, because
the benefit of snow tires isn’t just traction
in snow and ice. It’s also the compound of
the rubber actually makes for better adhesion
in cold temperatures, like the freezing
cold temperatures you get in Chicago. With that said, depending
upon the tire that you buy, we found on average the
difference in wet braking is about a car length going
from 60 miles an hour to zero. So that is someone is in front
of you on Lakeshore Drive, you slam on your brakes,
and you either hit them or don’t hit them. Now granted, a car length,
you can mitigate that by driving a little
bit more slowly, by not tailgating as much. At the same time, the
benefit of having snow tires, winter tires is, I would
say, proportionally greater than the fact that sometimes
your wet braking won’t be as good. And that’s because
they have better traction in the ice on
the snow in the slush. It isn’t just about stopping. It’s also about that
handling as well and stopping in
the snow and ice. It’s really about
the [INAUDIBLE].. So it’s true. Yes, it’s a little bit
longer on those things. But depending on the snow
that you’re on or the ice, it could be a 100 foot extra
that you’re stopping on. It makes a huge
difference in those– Depending upon the tires, too. Well, and I was going to
ask you– a car’s length, is that alarming or
is that about OK? So the point is that you
may be a little bit longer, like a car’s length
in those conditions. But if it’s snow, it
might be 10 car lengths that the difference is. You mean 10 car lengths
without snow tires? Right. So you’re 10 car lengths
better with the snow tires on the snow, but
you’re losing one car length. It’s about that proportion. So he’s got a great point. It’s very interesting
because I always think about heavy duty trucks. I always think about the
2,500 series or whatever. And a lot of people
are like, hey, it’s a little bit
better when I tow. But if you’re only
towing 10% of the time, it’s a lot worse when
you’re not towing. So I mean, it’s those kind of– you’re weighing those things. But it is a good point
that it’s not just– it’s cool temperatures too. And it depends on the
tires too, because I checked with Ryan Pinlakowski. And he mentioned that some
winter tires are designed for extreme winter conditions
and they can actually have much worse wet braking. And those would be if you
lived in Jackson Hole. But if you live in Chicago, if
you get a good balanced winter tire, then you’re not
going to have that 10 times extra stopping distance when
you hit the brakes in the snow and maybe you just
don’t tailgate as much or you give a little
more room on rainy days at the shoulders
in March and April, which you should
be anyways, yeah. So basically, long story
short, get winter tires, but check our ratings to
see what the actual braking distances are. And as we’re going
into the winter season, certainly in the Northeast– This is timely. Well, Jake’s driveway is like
a nosebleed to hill, I mean. So we’re seeing
some snow coming up, and actually, my son now, he put
on snow tires on mom’s Prius. So we’re practicing– [INAUDIBLE] all wheel drive. We’re practicing what we preach. That’s right. The new all wheel drive Prius. The next question is
another video question about automatic emergency
breaking on a Honda CRV. Hi, my name is
Michael [? Ecompt. ?] I live on Cape Cod. And I love your
show, been watching Talking Cars for a long time. I have a question about the
automatic braking on my 2017 CRV Touring. I can see a flashing light that
says, break, break, break, when I get close to another car. And I can feel myself
slowing down in traffic and even coming to a full stop. But I wonder whether
or not my car really would come to a complete stop
if there were a car suddenly in front of me. I’ve seen some videos that
show other cars running up to an inflatable car and
coming to a complete stop in some testing. I don’t have an inflatable car. So I don’t know how to do that
other than run up to a real car and hope for the best. So can you tell me if
there’s any place where they list which cars stop
and show any videos of them actually stopping? So Jake, automatic
emergency breaking, is this really a thing or
is it just a smokescreen? Whoa, I wasn’t expecting
[? you to answer it ?] that way. But look, not impressed
with the question, impressed with this
guy’s question. Because I think
what’s impressive is please do not
try this at home. Yes, you don’t
have a blow up car. Believe it or not, I have
talked to some people that have tried this. Don’t do that. To the specific answer to
the question, does it work? At what speed? Actually, these
systems are tested. We look at these systems. Insurance Institute of
Highway Safety, IIHS, they also look at these. On the CRV, they did some
tests up at 25 miles per hour, where it actually
avoided the accident. But your mileage may vary. So it all depends on
exactly where that car is– The conditions. –other conditions. So I mean, the point about
automatic emergency braking systems, they tend to help. They will likely
lessen the severity. They will slow down the vehicle. When he has the brake, brake,
brake, it will hit the brakes. It’ll slow down. It may still hit. The point is that you
should drive the car like it doesn’t have it. But if you do have
it, chances are it’s going to lessen the
severity of the impact. Think about it in that way
as opposed to like, hey, I don’t have to hit the brakes. It’ll do it for me. That’s not what
it’s designed for. And Keith, when we
listened to this and watched this video
question, it almost seemed like he was also
talking about forward collision warning. Yeah so Mike in old Cape Cod
where the winding roads seem to beckon you,
when he doesn’t hit the brakes on those windings
roads, what he’s seeing is forward collision warning. And that is the first line of
defense that is saying like, you might be looking
at something else. You might not be
paying attention. The sun might be in your eyes. It’s a first line of
defense because you’re– It’s not designed that
you’re going around a corner or something like that. It’s about there’s something– There’s something
in front of you. And don’t hit it, please. Yes, and if you don’t
respond to that, that’s when the car kind of
takes over and does the best it can to stop you. So they’re two different
systems– the brake, brake, brake. You see that sometimes. I mean, honestly it kind of
works as the same system. I mean, I know
[? either ?] one’s forward collision warning,
one’s automatic breaking. But basically, it’s
the same intention and it’s a layered thing. One gets you to stop the car. The other one– yeah. And they’re using the
same sensors and all that. And they’re kind of
working together. And we’re going to have
to stop this podcast soon because Subarus’ Dave
Abrams is like, OK, come on, move it along. Anyway, thank you for those
answers and a great question. I’m going to hit the
brakes on that, exactly. So we’re going to wrap this
up with a question from George in Ohio, who’s looking
for a midlife crisis car. George writes, I’m looking
to replace my 2014 Volvo XC60, which has been fraught
with reliability issues, with what I’m considering
a midlife crisis car. I like to do some moderate
off roading and camping and have fond memories of
driving my mother’s Rubicon. I also like the Ram 1500
with its offroad package, which would retain
some creature comforts. I’ve driven both, but FCA’s
reliability and customer service makes me nervous. Yeah, wait, till
Peugeot gets involved. Is that still true? Any other recommendations? So what do we have for George? Take it away, Jake. So the Ram, I mean, it is
a very luxurious vehicle. I mean, it rides nice. It’s quiet. I think it’s probably nearly
up there with a Bentley. The Bentley pickup trucks. But the truth is
is that, yeah, I mean a lot of the
big pickup trucks, the reliability
is not that great. It’s something you’re
going to have to deal with. Unfortunately, if you
want a big off roader, I mean, you could
certainly go with a Toyota. I mean, that’s going
to be more reliable. But it’s not nearly
as nice to drive. [? You can get the ?]
Tacoma or the Tundra. Especially with the off road
TRD package on the Tundra. It’s pretty stiff riding. It’s very stiff. So Keith, what’s
your recommendation? Yeah, I like the Ram 1500. I like that. And I mean, in terms of
reliability’s concerned, if you’ve dealt with
Volvo reliability, I mean, it’s like a root canal
versus a filling. Well, he’s got an older Volvo. Volvo’s weren’t that bad
actually in that older generation. So what he’s got
is the new Volvo, as we were talking about, are
really having some issues. But he’s saying, I did
have issues with mine. Right, right. Statistically. You’re not going
to get a trouble– a trouble free fun car is what? A Miata. There are some. It always comes up. Well, what’s interesting
is that neither you guys– he talked about a pickup truck. He talked about a Jeep Wrangler. Nobody said the Gladiator. Oh, because [INAUDIBLE]
as smart as you are. I don’t know. Well, I thought he was
worried about reliability. I mean, I would
keep with the Ram. But the only vehicles that he
mentioned were FCA products. And I know that they’re always
kind of on the edge of sort of reliable, sort
of not reliable. But I mean, it’s hard to get– Midlife crisis and Wrangler,
[? do they ?] go together? Yeah, because when you
think midlife crisis, I always think sports
car, but whatever. But you can bring the family in. Exactly. You get more seats. You get more utility. And he likes camping
and outdoorsyness. So this may be one
of those situations– so it would the rare advice
to get an extended warranty. Yeah, there you go. Anyway, good choices. This is an interesting
midlife crisis dilemma. I really hadn’t thought
about a truck or a Jeep. But hey, why not? Whatever works for you. Anyway, that’s going to
do it for this episode. If you want to learn more about
the topics or the vehicles that we talked about,
check out the show notes. Thanks so much for tuning in. We’ll see you next week. [MUSIC PLAYING]

67 thoughts on “BMW M850i & Bentley Bentayga Review; FCA/Peugeot Merger | Talking Cars with Consumer Reports #228

  1. Regarding the viewer question on AEB, there are a ton of videos on Youtube where people have tested that for many vehicles. I found mine in a test that way. The bigger problem is when AEB stops the car for no apparent reason. That seems to be a common problem and can be very dangerous if someone is tailgating you (and there always seems to someone tailgating me!).

  2. Guys, work a little on minimizing how much you talk over each other. I'm from the Midwest, and two or three guys talking at the same time sounds rude to some of us.

  3. Regarding Honda’s emergency break system, although not perfect I find it helps me stay alert in heavy traffic. It is better than me at estimating the difference in speed and deceleration between my 2017 Pilot and the car in front of me. And that’s an excellent drive aid during rush hour suburban commuting. The one I have on my 2018 Crosstrek is also excellent but I feel the Honda is a little more alert (or reacts earlier – different tuning).

  4. Bentley’s SUV style is hideous! I don’t know why anyone would buy such a monstrosity. It’s a retro style gone terribly wrong. The body proportions are all off. And less safe. The X7 or better yet, the Range Rover get the luxury SUV style right IMNSHO.

  5. I agree with Keith. An FCA/Peugeot merger will mean pretty much nothing to those of us in the US. I actually think it's funny how all of the low reliability brands are merging lately.

  6. I think that the Peugeot, Citroen, Chrysler Fiat merger comes at an opportune impasse in automotive history with the approaching electrification of the industry. Any of their brands and sub brands become much more attractive when you don’t have to worry about their fuel delivery systems or for that matter their engines.

  7. My 2020 mid life crisis car would be a M2 with a manual gear box. If I didn’t have to save for my kids college and my retirement (so I can be middle class till 150), I’d have bought one already!! 😀

  8. The discussion on AEB still begs the question as to why no testing is done beyond the IIHS 25 mph standard (i.e. 45 mph, 60 mph, etc.). I never get an answer from CR, even though I have asked this question several times. (One time, my question wasn’t even posted!) What gives?

  9. You guys punted on the last question. The answer is clearly Toyota 4 runner or land cruiser, depending on budget and preference.

  10. I do not see the necessity to rent those ultra luxury véhicules. They are selling very few of these high dollars , mechanically challenging to repair and very costly to own. For these reasons, I have no interest in them.

  11. It figures that the Bentley SUV is in burgundy, since the only people who buy vehicles in burgundy are the elderly and drug dealers.

  12. Okay, so you don't have an inflatable or foam car. But I bet you've got cardboard, don't you?heck, now I want to find out if I can turn it off, so I can go plow through a stack of empty cardboard boxes like in the movies!

  13. I mean my first thought was a gladiator….
    but my heart says just go for the new DEFENDER!
    It might be plagued with issues, but that foots the bill of all those previously metioned FCA products…. perfect for OVERLANDING.
    Gladiator or Defender. One full of with Lux appointments and optional air suspension, the other with 11 inches of GC and rock rails, both possibly problematic, but undeniably capable beasts. ?

  14. Tons of variables here, if it's winter and the temperature is low enough a shaded wet street quickly becomes an icy street!

  15. Keith Barry's frenzied monologue on how the world needs a traditional Bentley but not this Bentley came across as very immature and spasmodic, detracting from CR brand. I too appreciate bespoke handbuilt coachworks and agree that paying extra for a gussied up Audi probably isn't the best use of a couple hundred thousand dollars, but it's understandable that a company in business to make money will cater to the "vulgar" tastes of the market. One can say one wouldn't buy a car and think it is overpriced without shouting down the vehicle's right to exist–especially when, as here, the vehicle in question profitably caters to the vulgar tastes of paying customers.

  16. I'd just like to point out how weird it is that the next Chrysler 300 might very well be based on what is effectively an old Chevy ss.

    Also if this merger does go through. They need to get a few citroen's with a Chrysler badge to the us market asap.

  17. People who buy Bentley's and Rolls Royce's have so much money, they don't know what to do with it. You need to change your frame of reference.

  18. if the guy who asked abou autobrake on his Crv ever sees this comment, checkout test data site they have a video of the auobrake test.

  19. I used to live in Ottawa. I had 3 accidents–all in the winter. 2 were due to not having snow tires. On was a car that hit me (then drove away). Winter climates call for winter tires (on cheap steel rims).

  20. Regarding AEB .. keep in mind that last letter stands for "braking"… it doesn't stand for "stopping", so don't assume it will "stop" because that not the same as "braking".

  21. Say something useful about the Bentley please. Basically you are making fun of the car and insulting the owners. Very disappointed.

  22. The weird beard millennial is my least favorite Consumer Reports personality. I'll bet he owns a lot of cats and his yet to have ever been touched by a woman ?

  23. I love how you guys get excited over the topic, but it is a little difficult to sort out what you're saying. Although playing it back a couple of times helped.
    I just wish YouTube had a 10 or 15 second back or forward button.

  24. Keith Barry preaching truth! I love his passion and honesty! This is something refreshing in a sea of bought and paid for reviews! Keep up the great work CR!

  25. I wish this podcast was longer. You guys often seemed rushed to move to other topics due to time constraints and that affects the conversations. Thanks for this content.

  26. When people talk about the compound of summer tires that does not work well in winter (dry), they should probably get rid of Eco tires !

  27. Your show is great, and provides great perspective and invaluable information. But guys…for the love of GOD it's mind-numbing when you all talk over each other.

  28. Question for future podcast: CR rates the Vredestein Quatrac Pro as "66" overall and the Vredestein Wintrac Pro as "78". In my size, 255/55R18, for a Porsche Cayenne S e-Hyrbid, the speed rating of the Wintrac Pro is "W", and the speed rating of the Quatrac Pro is "Y"–both more than sufficient. Could the Wintrac Pro be used year-around? In the past, winter tires were not as good as all-season tires for wet braking, but now the Wintrac Pro is!

  29. For the last question why not check out the Jeep Grand Cherokee trailhawk that’s one of FCA’s products that doesn’t have a high chance of reliability issues

  30. I dont think these guys have driven in Chicago. Tailgating is mandatory ? Great show fellas. Sad times when a bro dozer is a midlife crisis vehicle

  31. Seriously? What is up with all these "does my emergency braking really work?" questions?? dude what Type of driving are you doing,,, People who ask questions like these are the type of drivers I hate, it's nice to appreciate technology but it doesn't mean you should jump on the opportunity to use it as it relates safety… I have had it engage once but I was already BRAKING and the car realized I was brraking and handed control back over

  32. Two drunks wake up in an alley. They look at each other through bleary eyes, and realize the only chance they have is with each other…

  33. As far as the French/FCA merger goes… The only brand that FCA has going for it is the JEEP branding! I myself would like to see some of the more appealing models with the more interesting engine choices? I myself think all of us auto buyers simply want the return of reliability/durability from the auto makers these days!

  34. BTW…If C.R. did purchase the Bentayga for their fleet testing, I would not want to pay anymore money to an other wise prudent/respectable outfit like CR. That being said, I do admire the craftsmanship required to produce such a fine product line such as the Bentley or another 1%er type pieces of art!

  35. Reliable midlife crisis 4×4? Lexus GX or land cruiser come right to mind. TRD pro 4Runner if your midlife crisis doesn’t require real leather

  36. Could you just stop flapping your gums and get to the point? Amuse each other on your own time. You submerge your points in so much blather that I jyst stopped the video to write this and I will not return to these videos.

  37. Who watching this drives at 60 mph in the snow? I for one do not. Stopping and handling a few days a year in the snow or worse stopping and handling the rest of the winter it seems obvious. Don't drive in the snow if you can help it, and use all weather tires – like CrossClimate + from Michelin. Even CR likes those tires.That way you don't sacrifice almost anything all winter and even in the summer.

  38. Keith Barry needs to go….the sooner the better. He ruins this program every time he is on the panel. Wake up CR and realize that we are sick and tired of his snobby superiority. Read many of the comments below and see that you are not scoring points with your audience. Many of us contribute to CR , but if you keep this arrogant and smug individual on the air much longer, you can kiss my contributions good bye.

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